Legislature(2005 - 2006)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/30/2005 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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*+ HJR 16 OPPOSE UN LAND DESIGNATIONS IN ALASKA TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ HB 198 AQUATIC FARMING TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 198(RES) Out of Committee
*+ HJR 9 URGE CONGRESS HONOR EXXON VALDEZ JUDGMENT TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ HB 174 FISHING PERMIT AND VESSEL LICENSE FEES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
HJR 16-OPPOSE UN LAND DESIGNATIONS IN ALASKA                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SAMUELS announced that the  next order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE  JOINT RESOLUTION  NO. 16,  Opposing the  designation of                                                               
any  area  in the  state  as  a  world heritage  site,  biosphere                                                               
reserve, or  any other type of  international designation without                                                               
the consent of the Alaska State Legislature.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES VAN HORN, Staff to  Representative Jim Elkins, Alaska State                                                               
Legislature,  presented  HJR  16   on  behalf  of  Representative                                                               
Elkins, sponsor (original punctuation provided):                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     House Joint  Resolution 16  opposes the  designation of                                                                    
     any area in Alaska as  a World Heritage Site, Biosphere                                                                    
     Reserve,   or   any   other   type   of   international                                                                    
     designation without the specific  consent of the Alaska                                                                    
     State  Legislature.   It also  urges the  United States                                                                    
     Congress to pass and the  President to sign legislation                                                                    
     that  will  require approval  by  and  Act of  Congress                                                                    
     before   any  area   in  the   United  States   or  its                                                                    
     territories can be nominated as  a World Heritage Site,                                                                    
     Biosphere Reserve,  or any other type  of international                                                                    
     designation.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     This  resolution  urges  the  Congress  of  the  United                                                                    
     States  to  reaffirm  the   power  of  Congress,  under                                                                    
     article   IV,   section   3  of   the   United   States                                                                    
     Constitution   over  international   agreements,  which                                                                    
     concern   disposal,  management,   and  use   of  lands                                                                    
     belonging  to  the United  States.    To protect  State                                                                    
     powers  not reserved  to the  Federal Government  under                                                                    
     the  Constitution  from   Federal  actions  designating                                                                    
     lands  pursuant to  international  agreements.   Ensure                                                                    
     that no United States  citizen suffers any diminishment                                                                    
     or loss  of individual  rights as  a result  of Federal                                                                    
     actions  designating  lands pursuant  to  international                                                                    
     agreements  for purposes  of  imposing restrictions  on                                                                    
     use of those lands.   Protect private interests in real                                                                    
     property  from  diminishment  as a  result  of  Federal                                                                    
     actions  designating  lands pursuant  to  international                                                                    
     agreements.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:26:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRAWFORD asked him to define a biosphere reserve.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  VAN HORN  said  it is  an area  of  terrestrial and  coastal                                                               
ecosystems promoting  solutions to reconcile the  conservation of                                                               
biodiversity   with  sustainable   use.     The  United   Nations                                                               
Educational   Scientific  and   Cultural  Organization   (UNESCO)                                                               
"governs  these  biosphere  reserves,"   he  added.    "Biosphere                                                               
reserves just  sort of showed up,"  he said.  They  include three                                                               
areas once  designated: core area, buffer  zone, and transitional                                                               
zone.   He said normally  the core area  is not subject  to human                                                               
activity, the  buffer zones help  protect the core area,  and the                                                               
transitional  zone  is  an  area  outside  of  the  buffer  where                                                               
resources are  developed for the  benefit of the people  who live                                                               
there.   "The  majority  of the  biosphere  reserves are  talking                                                               
about  people like  in South  America ...  where they  sell their                                                               
baskets  and Native  arts and  stuff  of this  nature," he  said.                                                               
"What is disturbing  is ... the Secretary of Interior,  by just a                                                               
signature of her  pen, can designate a World Heritage  Site."  He                                                               
said it circumvents the constitution.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:30:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CINDY   MIDDLESTADT,  Communications   Manager,  Alaska   Support                                                               
Industry Alliance, said  the alliance is a  nonprofit trade group                                                               
of oil,  gas, and mining  industries.  The alliance  supports HJR
16   because  environmental   maneuvers  can   stall  development                                                               
projects,  and conservation  designations  would provide  another                                                               
tool  for the  international  environmental  groups and  wildlife                                                               
activists.   She  said  industry  projects need  to  get off  the                                                               
ground  and maintain  operations.    International movements  and                                                               
ill-spirited  motivations could  increase  the  fear factor,  she                                                               
added, and  it is  appropriate that  Congress decides  before any                                                               
conservation designations are made in Alaska.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:32:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON BRUNE,  Project Coordinator, Resource  Development Council,                                                               
said his  organization's mission is  to grow Alaska's  economy by                                                               
developing  natural  resources.    He said  he  agrees  with  Ms.                                                               
Middlestadt's  comments.   He said  the Alaska  National Interest                                                               
Lands  Conservation   Act  created  a  network   of  conservation                                                               
systems.   The federal  government manages  235 million  acres in                                                               
Alaska, and  58 million  are Wilderness.   The addition  of world                                                               
heritage  sites is  unnecessary, he  opined.   "Such designations                                                               
would  severely   limit  the   economic  potential   of  resource                                                               
development  projects  throughout  our  great  state,"  he  said.                                                               
"Alaskans,  and Alaskans  alone," should  make decisions  on "our                                                               
land and  our resources," therefore Congress  and the legislature                                                               
should approve of biosphere reserves in Alaska.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:34:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE  BORELL,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Miners  Association,                                                               
said biosphere  reserves and  world heritage  sites would  pose a                                                               
serious threat to  development, and they would be  used to harass                                                               
developers.  No more lands in  Alaska should be added to any type                                                               
of conservation  system.  Administrative  actions cannot  be used                                                               
to close or study lands unless  the study is authorized by an act                                                               
of Congress,  he said.   He said  world heritage sites  have been                                                               
used by  environmental groups to  stop projects, and  one project                                                               
in Australia  was harassed by  picketing a board meeting.   Three                                                               
environmental  groups petitioned  an  overseas  developer to  not                                                               
insure a mine in Kamchatka,  where a world heritage site overlaid                                                               
a  park and  preserve that  had been  established by  the Russian                                                               
government.   He believes that  if a  world heritage site  was in                                                               
place  in  western Alaska,  the  Red  Dog  mine would  have  been                                                               
blocked.   He  said it  is important  for an  act of  Congress to                                                               
approve a world heritage site.   He noted is not concerned by the                                                               
current Alaska administration, but he is by future ones.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:38:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
IRENE  ANDERSON, Assistant  Land Manager,  Bering Straits  Native                                                               
Corporation,  Nome, said  she  has worked  in  opposition to  the                                                               
marine biosphere  in Beringia.   The  federal budget  allocates a                                                               
lot of  money to  universities to  study Beringia  National Park,                                                               
she added.   She said  she wants  to stop authorization  of money                                                               
for  studies of  these  areas.   She  noted  that  there is  good                                                               
information coming from  the studies, but "they don't  need to be                                                               
calling  [it] an  international park."   She  said Bering  Strait                                                               
Natives have land  within and adjacent to the  Bering Land Bridge                                                               
National  Preserve,  and  Shishmaref  needs to  move  because  of                                                               
warming  ocean erosion  problems.   She  said, "If  we get  these                                                               
world heritages...we  could see  that not  only would  the Native                                                               
land  be  affected...but  neighboring  state  land...mines  right                                                               
south of  the preserve, and  we would  expect that that  would no                                                               
longer  happen  because  of the  transitional  zones  and  buffer                                                               
zones."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:43:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DICK  COOSE, Concerned  Alaskans  for  Resource and  Environment,                                                               
Ketchikan,  said  his   group  was  formed  to   keep  access  to                                                               
resources.   He said he  supports HJR 16, "that  asks, basically,                                                               
the U.S. legislature  to require that the Congress  and the state                                                               
legislature approve any UN designations  of world heritage sites,                                                               
biosphere   reserves,  or   any  other   type  of   international                                                               
designation."    The  designations ultimately  restrict  or  stop                                                               
public use of  public and private land, he said.   In Yellowstone                                                               
National Park,  there was  a mine  outside of  the park  that was                                                               
stopped as a  direct result of a United Nations  designation.  He                                                               
requested that local  governments also have a say.   "The UN is a                                                               
non-elected body ... and we  don't need their interference in our                                                               
lives," he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:47:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ELKINS said  he would like to  hold the resolution                                                               
in order to draft amendments.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
[HJR 16 was held over]                                                                                                          

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